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ntarif
Re: Dire need to improve
Just new to the forum I read with interest the whole discussion. These are the emotions and anger that almost every body goes thru while in medical school. But I think we all talk too much and have little to add[ including me]. Every one at its own place can contribute for the better to come. The question was about the standard of our published articles . If there is a good study, I would rather publish in a reputed journal internationally known than in Pakistani Journal. You can look at some of the studies from Pakistan published in good journals. It is these people who can make a difference by paying attention to the local journals they think are doing the good job and should be supported.
Can a journal be banned [ by PMDC, Govt etc], no. Can you force them to resign and change the management and by whom, no. Only way is to bring out your articles, mark the good journals and support them with your honest ethical research. The journals that you think should not be supported do not publish in them. these will die out itself and others will flourish, kind of survival of the fittest [do not tell me what is fit for our society]. This has happened in the west also, we are in our evolutionary phase which started late, but at least has started. I have been away from Pakistan medical field so am not aware which journal is good or bad, one may read and decide. Be the judge and help each other to improve not blame or counter blame. I would like to acknowledge the fact that somebody at least started this discussion.
rqayyum
Re: Re: Re: Dire need to improve
This argument is quite old and has lost its importance (at least in my case).
I will again like to stress the importance of 'what we can do to improve this system?'. One can put conditions to one's participation that only if 'this and that' is done that he/she will participate. On the other hand, one can also use current system as an excuse for his/her inability to do something, at the same time discouraging others who may want to do something.
I am certain that all of us here want to learn from each other's experiences. I hope that this helping and learning envoirnment will continue to improve.
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ijazali wrote:
i just believe majority of ppl in our country are like u who donot want to have bad relations with any body and play a safe game , be good in evrybody eyes and thats all. All GP treatment just treat the symptoms never touch the disease.
ijaz
[Edited by rqayyum on 04-21-2005 at 02:08 AM GMT]
ijazali
Re: Re: Dire need to improve
i just believe majority of ppl in our country are like u who donot want to have bad relations with any body and play a safe game , be good in evrybody eyes and thats all. All GP treatment just treat the symptoms never touch the disease.
ijaz
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rqayyum wrote:
It appears that this discussion has moved away from its focus. This is not supposed to be a political forum, neither do we come here to get lectures of what is wrong with the current setup. I (and I assume most of us) have had these discussions in medical colleges. In my humble opinion what should be addressed here is that how we can help each other to develop and improve our medical research infrastructure. Any realistic suggestions will be helpful while "blame game" and same old 'this and that' rehtoric will not lead anywhere.
rqayyum
Re: Dire need to improve
It appears that this discussion has moved away from its focus. This is not supposed to be a political forum, neither do we come here to get lectures of what is wrong with the current setup. I (and I assume most of us) have had these discussions in medical colleges. In my humble opinion what should be addressed here is that how we can help each other to develop and improve our medical research infrastructure. Any realistic suggestions will be helpful while "blame game" and same old 'this and that' rehtoric will not lead anywhere.
ijazali
Re: Re: Re: Dire need to improve
One more thing i want to mention which has become part of our society is the "Chamcha" culture , everybody is a chamcha of the boss hardly anybody has the guts to question some wrong doing we should think about that it has reached alarming proportions.
Secondly have u ever thought that the mullas will gather on a small issue which is of no use to anyone but they will never gather for an educational issue or health issue. the politicians will cry all the time on trivial things when not in government but have never questioned the govt why are no tertiary care or primary care hosputals being built, why a coomon man donot have access to the heath care because they donot get treated here , when they get alcoholic cirhosis they travel to New York to get the Hepatic transplant. The worst than these two are the Beaurocrats and Army Generals who have destroyed this country starting from day one. we should build nour own leadership within the real doctors not the tatoos of the Administration we also do not need Gagaas or gundas in the name of leaders as has been the course of action in medical college. we need eduacted ppl who need to sit down and find solutions for the whole community.
Ijaz
[Edited by docosama on 04-19-2005 at 11:01 AM GMT]
