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ijazali
Re: Submission of articles to multiple journals
one thing that i want to make clear is that as a nation our battle is usually against a specific person(based on animosity) who we want to see humilated. its not on principles or on generalised things or problems. so thats why things never materialise. Very tunnelled vision of ours has lead us to newly found depths of humilation and illfame as a nation.
Secondly our attitudes are so rigid that we want to cut the hands of anybody who even does a little wrong only because we can do that but never able to challange the real menaces 'cos we cant touch them. We also have to increase our tolerance and be flexible in our attitudes. Every guy acts like a Genghis Khan here.
ijaz
[Edited by ijazali on 18-09-2005 at 11:25 PM GMT]
honesty2
Submission of articles to multiple journals
Prevention of plagiarism and deterring of scholarly dishonesty and cheating ... A REAL PROBLEM THAT HAS DISFIGURED THE ACADEMIC HONESTY AMONG THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY OF PAKISTAN. PakMediNet is the right forum where we can at least highlight such burning issues to condemn plagiarism and academic dishonesty ... is just criticizing enough, like condemning it at this forum? Credibility and the competence of PMDC is quite questionable ... that is just a dead in regularizing the standards for biomedical excellence in Pakistan. HEC (Higher Education Commission) another academic white elephant with no powers but expending millions of rupees jut for "gup shup" ... some months ago I raised some issues to prevent plagiarism in Pakistani universities and biomedical institutes/organizations to a person who is responsible to regularize the academic excellence in Pakistani medical and other institutes, but they replied just in a bureaucratic manner just to ignore the issue. Can any person suggest a way to condemn and to prevent issue regarding PLAGIARISM? Let us continue to discuss this burning issue to find out some solution. THE HONESTY GROUP ..
rqayyum
Re: Re: Re: submission of articles to multiple journals
I think, we can look at this from two perspectives; author's and editor's.
Of course, authors want their manuscript to be published as soon as possible. Their promotion may depend on publication, or the manuscript may get out-dated. If journals take six months just to get peer-review process completed, authors might feel pressure to send manuscript to another journal at the same time. This is a wrong approach, especially if authors have signed a disclosure that manuscript has not been submitted elsewhere. A better approach is not to submit manuscript to the journals that take long time to reach to a decision. However, if manuscript is not worth-sending to a good journal, then authors should "bite the bullet", and sit and wait. Taking a longer time to reach to a decision is not a sign of good journal, rather it is a sign of sloppy editorial personal.
From editor's perspective, this is wastage of time, money, and resources to give paper-space to an article that is not original. Actually, editors should come-up with some plan to ban such authors from getting their any future manuscript published anywhere in the world. WAME is working on it and may soon come-up with some procedure. There should be no forgiveness for intentional deception.
I don't think that second publications of the same research should give any more credit to authors than one publication. The only reason for a second publication of a research should be to reach to a population segment that might not read original article.
ijazali
Re: Re: submission of articles to multiple journals
I absolutely agree with you. Secondly I know that an indexed publication is better than many non-indexed ones so in that way if whoever wants his work to be submitted(in a legal and ethically OK way) also to an indexed journal is fully justified 'cos then it has a wider audiance.
The thing we have to learn as a nation is to be up front on things, be straight forward, and tell the truth on other person face. the oppressive nature of our Surroundings and culture probably is a big factor and secondly ppl on the other side should be considerate and accomodative enough to appreciate what is OK and what is not.
We should try get out of the Taboo culture of OOH How can you do this , Kind of thing? . we should leran to forgive and forget so that new people are not discouraged.
ijaz
[Edited by ijazali on 13-09-2005 at 05:46 AM GMT]
[Edited by ijazali on 14-09-2005 at 03:43 AM GMT]
[Edited by ijazali on 14-09-2005 at 03:44 AM GMT]
rqayyum
Re: submission of articles to multiple journals
Yes Dr Ijaz Ali you are right. However, we should not forget another party, the most important one, The READER. Reader should also know that this article has been published before. Let me quote from my earlier post in this thread:
"Whenever a study is submitted to a second journal, authors should
1) obtain permission from the first journal,
2) mention it clearly to the second journal's editors and
3) second publication of the study should give reference to the original publication.
Only then a second publication of a study is considered acceptable."
