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plez tell me. i have done my house job of 1 year in ob;gyn can i appear in part 1 pathology exam,,,,,,,

Posted by: lyla Posts: 4 :: 02-04-2006 :: | Reply to this Message


icon FCPS 1 ......SOME BITTER FACTS

DEAR DR KIRAN
I CANNOT POSSIBLY EXPLICITLY CONVEY MY FEELINGS BUT THIS IS A FEELING SHARED BY MANY TRAINEES ALL OVER PAKISTAN THAT CPSP IS REALLY BEING RUN BY BABOONS AND THAT TOO WHO ARE INSENSITIVE AND UN CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAINEES AND MORE INTERESTED IN MINTING MONEY.......TO START WITH ONCE YOU CLEAR YOUR PART 1 REGISTRATION WOULD TAKE MONTHS AND MONTHS AND YOU WILL KEEP ON WONDERING WHAT IS HAPPENING...THEN COMES THE TRICKY PART OF SYNOPSIS SUBMISSION,,,,EVEN IF YOU SUBMIT IT IN TIME PEOPLE AT CPSP WILL TAKE MONTHS TO REPLY AND AS IN MY CASE WOULD NOT BOTHER ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.....WHEN YOU RING THEM UP RTMC PPL DONT BOTHER ABOUT PICKING THE PHONE...IF YOU WRITE TO THEM THEY DONT ANSWER.....THE LIST GOES ON AND ON AND I CANNOT STATE ALL THE FACTS CUZ YOU NEVER KNOW...ONE OF THEM MIGHT READING MY VIEWS AND START CREATING MORE TROUBLES FOR ME.......MORE NEWS N VIEWS NEXT TIME

[Edited by drrathore on 27-07-2006 at 05:55 AM GMT]

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Hello every one hope u all be fine. as I am new to this site and I am from afghanistan and recently have graduted from Kabul medical university of Afghanistan and want to move forwored in ma fieled in pakistan and and want to contineuo my postgraduation studies in pakistan if there is any one to help me that how can I start my carier in pakistan I will be thankfull.

Dr.saleem MD

Posted by: Dr.Saleem Posts: 2 :: 30-05-2006 :: | Reply to this Message


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The FCPS-I Exam

The FCPS-I exam, in all the specialties tests knowledge in the basic sciences. It is a single, 3 hour MCQ paper. The exam focuses on those sections of basic sciences that are relevant to its specialty. For example the FCPS-I exam for Gynecology and Obstretics will focus more on the Pelvis and Perineum in its questions of gross anatomy while the FCPS-I exam for ENT will focus on Head and Neck in its anatomy questions. Similarly, the FCPS-I contains questions from the other basic sciences (besides anatomy) that are relevant to its own field besides containing general questions relevant to all specialties.



There is no negative marking in this exam of 100 questions - however the pass rate is low, ranging from 8-30%. This is because the passing margin is set quite high at approximately 80%, which means a candidate cannot afford to get more than 15-20 questions wrong.



The subjects tested in the FCPS-I exam are:



? Anatomy (Gross, Histology, Embryology, Neuro-anatomy)

? Physiology

? Pharmacology

? General and (some parts of Special Pathology)

? Microbiology

? Community Medicine (not a major subject, unless the specialty itself is Community Medicine)



Specialty Related subject: Although clinical sciences are not included in the FCPS-I exam, reading a specialty related book would help integrate the relevant basic sciences information. For example, reading an ENT book for FCPS-I ENT exam would most definitely be of some benefit.



Timing Of The FCPS-I Exam And The ?1-Year Delay?

The FCPS-I exam is held 3 times a year. The dates for the exams are not the same every year, but approximately in the time-periods mentioned below.



? February/March

? June/July

? October/November



In order to take the FCPS exam, the application to the CPSP must reach two months before the exam date itself. So if a candidate wants to give the exam in February/March, the exam application must be in the CPSP offices in December. In Khyber Medical College, the house jobs currently ends in late January so submitting an application for the FCPS-I exam for the February/March date is not possible because in December, the candidate would not have finished his house job and will therefore not have elevated his provisional registration to a full registration ? which is an essential requirement for eligibility to the FCPS.



This means that the candidate cannot appear in the February/March FCPS-I exam, but will have to wait for 5 months till the June/July date. He will not be able to move forward in his post-graduate training during those 5 months. Even if he gets a job as an RMP somewhere, his work will not count towards his FCPS training.



Further, the delay is not of just 6 months, but it stretches out to one year. The reason is that FCPS trainees are entered into training hospitals every June and January. Since you are ineligible to take the exam in February/March, you will have to wait for June/July. However, when you pass the FCPS exam in June/July, the interview date for new trainees will already have passed and their training started. Therefore, if a graduate ends his house job in January, he will only be able to sit for the FCPS Part I exam in June, and will have to wait till the next January to start his FCPS training. There is, as a result a year-long gap between the end of the house job and the start of the FCPS training.



There is one possible way to avoid this one-year gap. You can, as you near the end of your house job obtain a statement signed by the administrative head of your hospital that you will finish your house job in a few months time. You can use this statement in place of your certificate of full registration with the PMDC in order to appear for the FCPS-I exam in March. In NWFP however, the one-year gap will still apply because TMOs are inducted into their FCPS training program only in January. Therefore, even if a house officer from NWFP gives his FCPS-I exam in March (a couple of months after finishing his house job) he will still have to wait for 8-9 months till January to start his TMOship. However, in other parts of the country like Punjab, Karachi and Islamabad, TMOs are inducted twice a year (in January and June) so a doctor from NWFP can choose to apply to a teaching hospital those areas in the following June.



After Passing FCPS-I

After passing, you will apply for a TMO (Training Medical Officer) post in a certain hospital. It must be mentioned here that not all TMOs are awarded the post. Every province in Pakistan has a fixed number of TMO posts which it can give and if the number of applicants exceeds the number of TMO positions available then some will be left out. Such applicants thereafter can apply for non-training jobs in private or government hospitals as Medical Officers. The pay, in private hospitals may be marginally higher for non-training posts (although this is not always the case), but the downside of it is that the experience will not be counted towards an FCPS degree.



As a result of the limited number of TMO posts available, in some parts of the country, the induction of TMOs into FCPS programs may not be twice, but once a year.











The Components of FCPS Training

After you have secured an FCPS training post, you will begin your duties. It is generally acknowledged that the workload for TMOs is very demanding, more so perhaps than for junior doctors in the US and UK. In many hospitals, TMOs are given a lot responsibility for patient care and management ? with these responsibilities increasing as the TMO moves forward in his training.



During the course of training, the medical TMOs must take 3 mandatory workshops while the surgical ones must take 4. These workshops have to be taken within the first 18 months of TMOship:



? Computer and Internet Skills. Lasts for 5 days and imparts basic knowledge of how to use computers and the internet. For those who feel they already have such skills, there is an equivalence test one can pass to attain a certificate attesting to the fact.

? Research Methodology, Biostatistics, Dissertation Writing. Lasts for 5 days and gives an intensive course on how to conduct research, how to interpret the data from such research and how to incorporate these skills in a Dissertation (see below).

? Communication Skills. A 3 day course on effective communication techniques in presentations, workshops and seminars.



These three workshops are mandatory for all TMOs regardless of their specialty and must be taken within the first 18 months of training.



For the TMOs in surgery, an additional 3 day workshop on Basic Surgical Skills is also mandatory ? also to be taken within the first 18 months of TMOship.



These workshops cost Rs. 8,500 each except for the Computer and Internet Skills workshop which costs Rs. 7,500. They are held several times a year.



(The workshops can be taken by any doctor, not just a TMO. This fact was mentioned in the UK section of this manual to point out that such workshops strengthen an individual?s CV as they are officially organized by the CPSP and therefore recognized abroad.)



Clinical Skills Courses

These are non-mandatory courses lasting 5-7 days in which a group of senior doctors volunteer to conduct a thorough revision of clinical examination procedures to candidates who will soon be appearing for the FCPS-II exam (which contains a clinical examination component). The course cost around Rs. 500 and are usually held some time before the FCPS-II exam dates.



For those non-FCPS-II candidates who wish to add to their CV, it should be noted that these courses are not formally organized by the CPSP, and as such will have limited value to a doctor who is not an FCPS-II candidate. In other words, attending such a course will not add appreciably to your CV in the way the CPSP-organized workshops will.



The Dissertation

To quote the FCPS Dissertation Instruction Manual, issued by the CPSP.



?Submission of Synopsis/Protocol on a chosen topic, its approval from Research and Training Monitoring Cell (RTMC), CPSP, and preparing a dissertation, acceptable to the College, is mandatory for all candidates aspiring to appear in the FCPS II theory, clinical and oral examinations. In doing so, the CPSP aims at:



? Cultivating an inquiring mind in its potential specialists.

? Encouraging in-depth studies related to common health problems afflicting our people.

? Generating scientific data in various medical and allied fields.?



Basically, the dissertation is an original work of research that is carefully preparing over the course of FCPS training and must be submitted at least 9 months before the date the trainee wishes to appear in the FCPS-II exam.



The FCPS-II Exam

This exam has two components, a paper exam and a clinical/oral exam. The FCPS-II paper exam consists of 100 MCQ questions while the clinical/oral exam is held with the cooperation of real patients. When presented with a patient, the candidate will have to take history, conduct the clinical examination, and propose a management plan. In the oral component of this part of the exam, the candidate will be thoroughly tested for in-depth knowledge of his specialty.



The FCPS-II is not considered to be an easy exam. The pass rate is low and it is not uncommon for doctors to take it more than once before they pass. After passing however, the FCPS period of training is officially over and the doctor is awarded the highly regarded FCPS degree, and qualified as a specialist in that field.
Please note that all Exemptions from the Part 1 Examination will be discontinued with effect from 1 January 2007. Further details are available here.
Simply copy and paste this link and u may be able to collect LATEST AND MOST RELIABLE INFORMATION REGARDING MRCOG;
http://www.rcog.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=169#part1exemp

FCPS-I 2006 information...complete 02.03.06 (5 months ago) #1

The FCPS ( Fellow of College of Physicians and Surgeons)The College of Physicians and Surgeons Pakistan (CPSP) offers Fellowship training (FCPS) in 53 disciplines and Membership (MCPS) in 10. The College has discontinued its Membership diploma program and replaced it with a 2-year College diploma, DCPS, which is being offered in 14 disciplines. The first examination of DCPS held in 2005. The duration of the FCPS training varies from 3-5 years depending upon the specialties chosen. Competency based curricula have been developed for each discipline by the relevant faculties. More than 5500 training slots have been awarded in 125 CPSP accredited medical institutions throughout the country. The FCPS (Fellowship of College of Physicians and Surgeons) FCPS Part-I is an MCQ type exam that is held in Pakistan and Abroad e.g. Nepal… SUBJECTS The subjects of FCPS-I are following regardless of u appear in any discipline like Surgery, Medicine, Paeds etc… 1. Anatomy including Embryology 2. Physiology 3. Biochemistry 4. Pharmacology 5. Pathology 6. Microbiology PAPER FORMAT The paper is MCQ type and has 2 parts 1. Part-I 100 MCQs 2. part-II 100 MCQs DATE OF EXAMINATION The date of exam is Thursday 16 February 2006 1. Paper-I 0900 to 1200 noon 2. Paper-II 1400 to 1700 PM DUES AND FEES 1. Exam fee Pak Rs. 9000/- 2. Late fee Pak ( non- refundable) Rs. 2000/- 3. Change of centre ( non- refundable) Pak Rs. 1500/- VENUE IN PAKISTAN In Pakistan FCPS-I is held in following centres 1. Abbot Abad 2. Bahawalpur 3. Faisalabad 4. Hyderabad 5. Islamabad 6. Lahore 7. Larkana ( new ) 8. Multan 9. Muzaffar Abad ( Azad Kashmir) 10. Nawabshah 11. Peshawar 12. Quetta 13. Rawalpindi BOOKS to STUDY Read the standard books of each subject and check the previous papers or recall papers of about 5 years. They are very helpful in the exams. Most of the paper comes from the previous papers. 1. Snell’s Anatomy with Atlas for study, Grays for reference 2. Lippincotts Biochemistry , NMS Biochemistry , Ganaong for reference 3. Guyton Physiology 4. Lippincott Pharmacology , also reference from Rang and Dale 5. Robin’s Pathology 6. Jewets Microbiology The course is covered by these books…



EXTRA NOTES FOR PART-I
1. The exam is taken ONCE and TWICE basis, depanding upon the descipline you choose, e.g. for surgery it occurs twice.
2. The minimum pass marks are 45%, but most of the students are outnumbered at about 75-80%.
3. There is NO NEGATIVE MARKING, so feel free to attempt even if you dont know the answer. if ur answer is right u'll get free marks, if wrong, it won't effect ur marks.


BOOKS FOR FCPS PART 1
1. Pool Questions for FCPS-I by Azeem Sheikh
........is an excellent book,rather i would say the best available book. It contains MCQs from the previous exams and above all detailed explanatory comments, which are really helpful in attempting MCQs. MCQs are repeated in every exam, but even if they dont the explanations are extremely helpful.

2. Q Bank for USMLE-I
........although its mainly for USMLE but it gives u a good practice of MCQs.

3. Murad's MCQs
........is a good book but there are few concerns. there are no explanations given so one is not quite sure about the answers and secondly there are quite a few mistakes, which are really, really annoying.

Also, I found HANDBOOK OF DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS FOR POSTGRADUATE EXAMINATIONS by Azeem Sheikh, very helpful as it gives u the differentials and also the key points which are pretty helpful in attempting MCQs in Exams.


Please note that all Exemptions from the Part 1 Examination will be discontinued with effect from 1 January 2007. Further details are available here.
Simply copy and paste this link and u may be able to collect LATEST AND MOST RELIABLE INFORMATION REGARDING MRCOG;
http://www.rcog.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=169#part1exemp

Posted by: kbaloch Posts: 6 :: 15-07-2006 :: | Reply to this Message


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hey!
well while all going there im here to stay with my system
so i would like to disscuss with you please do reply me
thanks

Posted by: Game (Guest) :: 21-07-2006 :: | Reply to this Message


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HI sana ...I m doing my housejob..and preparing for fcps in BMS...dear sana I was also worried about books ....how to prepare ...and gone thru various sites...at last i found a site about the guidance to prepare for part 1 fcps...its like .....
read...first aid to usmle...for basic subjects ...brs for pathology n physiology...
pocket oxford book for medicine..
and ...for mcqs Azeem sheikh is the best....
ok take care

Posted by: sonia_dr Posts: 2 :: 06-10-2006 :: | Reply to this Message


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yes plaese do let me know in which speciality you are appearing

Posted by: happie01 Posts: 48 :: 07-10-2006 :: | Reply to this Message


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Nothing special

Posted by: askrizz Posts: 2 :: 10-10-2006 :: | Reply to this Message


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any one will tell me about which books must be used for appearing in the FCPS 1 examination ? i really need it.... any one please inform me about that....!!!!

Posted by: sober Posts: 2 :: 21-11-2006 :: | Reply to this Message


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hey tel me from where i can get a mcqs pool

Posted by: kala kutta Posts: 2 :: 21-11-2006 :: | Reply to this Message


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I would suggest you go for the following books

Azeem sheikh Part 1 MCQ book
MS Murad Part 1 MCQ Book
USMLE series
Q bank
caplan series

and any other MCQ books available in the market

and on a lighter note i would recommend, suggest and request you to reconsider your log in name as "kala kutta" is not a suitaable/appropriate nick for some one who happens to be a doctor

Posted by: drrathore Posts: 425 :: 21-11-2006 :: | Reply to this Message


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Dear Junior FCPSians-AoA !

" WHERE THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY"...

Plz keep in touch with this web-site, you will also achieve ur aim like other successfullers...

I request "DR.OSAMA" for empathetic considerateness over this 'APPLE OF DISCARD' between the ACHIEVERS and the ACHIVED ones...!!! like all apples of discard between the DEVELOPING countries and the DEVELOPED ones...!!!

" YE SHIKAYAT NAHEIN HEIN UN KE KHAZANE MAMOOR,--------"(Iqbal. R.A.)

Thanx for sober considerators, *
special thanx for criticals,

Scholastically urs,

__________________________
Capt.Dr.Ali Chishti (PK)
scholastic786@yahoo.com

Posted by: iqra786 Posts: 36 :: 22-11-2006 :: | Reply to this Message


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Dear FCPSian curious!
AoA

Plz refer 2 following websites, those may help U more in ur preparation of FCPS-I

1). http://www.rxpgonline.com/postt41547.html
2).
http://www.mdlinks.net/career/fcps.html#_Toc98826822

Wish u good luck,

scholastically urs,

________________________
Capt.Dr.Ali Chishti (pk)
scholastic786@yahoo.com

Posted by: iqra786 Posts: 36 :: 26-11-2006 :: | Reply to this Message


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Hi Everyone,

I am a dentist,new to this forum and have some questions which may be someone can answer. I want to appear for FCPS part 1 exam for dental doctors.Can anyone guide me about which books to read? any course outline?? and whats the scope after FCPS in Pakistan ?

Any help would be greatly appretiated

Posted by: madi Posts: 5 :: 30-01-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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hello dr.saleem..
i am also a foreigner and wud like to post grad in pak too..
do u have any info

Posted by: dhiaaah Posts: 2 :: 02-03-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


iconFCPS 1

Visit the official website of following
1.College of physicians and surgeons Pakistan www.cpsp.edu.pk
2. King Edwards Medical University Lahore www.kemu.edu.pk
3.University of health sciences Lahore www.uhs.edu.pk

Posted by: drrathore Posts: 425 :: 03-03-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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hello dr i ve just started prep for medicine part1,i just want toknow that how much time i should to appear in exam as i am not n touch since 99

Posted by: shezee Posts: 3 :: 17-03-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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salam,
sir im new around here so i dont even know how the forum works here.the story is after doing 2 yrs in gyne i have changed my mind to go 4 patho.wud u be kind enough to tell me how to prepare4 patho,n wat books 4 this subject.plzz kindly help me thanks.

Posted by: cutestdoc Posts: 14 :: 29-03-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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hi,
i ve read all these books mentioned here still flunked in july pt1 of medicine n allied.i js doubt myself if i ever b able to clear pt1 n how?help me ppl pleeeeeeeeez!

Posted by: aiza2483@h Posts: 2 :: 17-07-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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Dear Doctor
Now come on....... and don't be dishearten by one failed attempts.....The sky did not fall and probably will not fall ....So relax for a week or so and take a new start, study again , have faith in Allah and pray a lot.... you will make it this time

regards
Farooq

Posted by: drrathore Posts: 425 :: 17-07-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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hi i want to know about part1 anaesthesia

Posted by: drwali Posts: 5 :: 20-07-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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hello dr sana
im doctor wali i appeared for three time in fcps part1 . but couldnt succeed. but i know the books from which part1 is prepared ok

Posted by: drwali Posts: 5 :: 20-07-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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hi im dr wali i want to know about some information about part1 in aneasthesia

Posted by: drwali Posts: 5 :: 20-07-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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plz tel me someone about preparation of part 1in anaesthesia thanks

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thank u sir ur reply is like nes of goldn days for me as u asking i wish to do felowship in peads my housejob is going to b start on 1st sept so i m able to do part1 in nov next year thnx for ur time im waitng thristly for ur rply

Posted by: SANA Posts: 7 :: 30-08-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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thanx im planing for fcps just aftr finishing my house job i m lookng forward for ur guidence

Posted by: SANA Posts: 7 :: 30-08-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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ok whatever iget i'll share it wd u

Posted by: SANA Posts: 7 :: 30-08-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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thanx;if planing 4 post graduation it is beter to do fcps or mrcp n pab is necessary for mrcp for pakistanis plz help me

Posted by: SANA Posts: 7 :: 30-08-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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yes my pleasure dr naseer

Posted by: SANA Posts: 7 :: 30-08-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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thanx every one .can any one help me in preparing for fcpsprt1 exams how i manag my self among all sbjets i wana do exams in peads

Posted by: SANA Posts: 7 :: 30-08-2007 :: | Reply to this Message


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