PakMediNet Discussion Forum : Pakistani Medical Journals : CHAMCHA CULTURE
i want to bring notice to the doctors in our country to try to be confident give up the chamcha culture. we call everybody SIR , MADAM we should give up this practice, ppl should call each other by their names rather than "titles " . seniors like to be called SIR , PROFESSORS etc stc , in the western world even big professors are like ordinary ppl no body takes them like super humans and here IN OUR COUNTRY we call these "JAHALAT KE PAHAR" will all these titles , i am sure that nobody of these been given these titles by the Queen of England. Give up this CULTURE OF SLAVERY AND CULTURE OF CHAMCHAISM, BE A FREE MAN - A MAN ONLY CONTROLLED BY HIS GOALS AND ACHIEVEMENTS. DONOT TRY TO BE THE RIGHT HAND OF SOMEBODY , BE A MAN URSELF.
IJAZ
Posted by: ijazali Posts: 151 :: 02-05-2005 :: | Reply to this Message
my dear friend ,
treating a person with respect and adressing him/her with dignity is just simple plain courtesy and giving rerspect,which some people are unfortunately not aware of.
Posted by: ziarizvi Posts: 26 :: 14-08-2007 :: | Reply to this Message
i fully agree with your comments. we should be respecting our seniors, teachers but chamcha culture and buttering is different and quite obvious. thi sreflect the personality if the person. Respect is far more important priority.
Posted by: tariqwahab Posts: 11 :: 04-09-2007 :: | Reply to this Message
YES YOU ARE RIGHT. BUT IN OUR SET UP, BESIDES RESPECT FOR SENIORS, THERE IS CAMCHA AND CHAMCHI CULTURE
Posted by: samreenqmc Posts: 140 :: 03-06-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
Dear IJAZ,
Giving respect is something different than Chamcha Culture. Respect is earned, not asked for. We must respect our seniors and teachers and should not call them merely by name. As an example, the Father should be called: Abba Jee, Dad, Papa or similar names and not like Akbar Sahib, Fazal Din or so. I trust I could clear my idea to you.
It is not at all necessary that 'The Queen' should give us a title. I was born 'AAZAAD' and shall not accept a title given by YOUR queen.
I hope I could speak out my thinking about differences between giving respect to somebody and 'chamchageeri'.
Posted by: abbottayub Posts: 11 :: 06-07-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
Who said there is no Chamcha culture in other countries? Well I think its lot more than one would think .Respect others and you will be respected.All humans are created equal.How you live and deal with this world makes you an Individual ...you decide what you want to be a chamcha or a kafgeer...lol My point is we should all respect each other no matter what ...that brings the harmony in world.
Yes,what you are referring to is Buttering up and pulling someone else's leg to get ahead thats wrong at any level...but it has nothing to do with respect.You are mixing them both ,when they are two different things.
Posted by: Noor1 Posts: 15 :: 15-07-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
YOU ARE RIGHT SIR, IN WESTERN CULTURE, JUNIORS AND COLLEAGUES CALL THEIR SENIORS OR OTHER COLLEAGUES BY NAME. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY DONOT RESPECT THEM. ACTUAL RESPECT LIES IN HEART.WE FOLLOW "GORAS" IN ALL THINGS EXCEPT MODERN THINKING AND TECHNOLOGY. ITS TIME FOR US TO BE REALISTIC.
BE HOPEFUL.
Posted by: samreenqmc Posts: 140 :: 17-07-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
western world have their own tradition and we have our own. if they dont call, it does not mean we should also follow them. it is from the long history that seniors are respected and they should be given respect, so we call seniors with these titles, and this create an environment of love and harmony and in response seniors also care the junior.
we should preserve our culture and tradations because with this we can create a helping and friendly environment.
secondly we should respect the seniors not for the sake that he will be happy and he will care me but for the sake of God, then you will get true satisfection of mind.
regards
aftab
Posted by: aftabac Posts: 271 :: 21-07-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
i completely agree with not calling seniors sir etc, a name taken with respect should be good enough
[Edited by Asimjshaik on 13-09-2008 at 08:09 PM GMT]
Posted by: Asimjshaik Posts: 2 :: 13-09-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
Unfortunately our seniors too has got so much attuned to these kind of salutations that any other way of addressing them is taken as an insult. This is also disturbing that they then most of the times start weaving a venomous environment around those who are not adequately and traditionally respectful to them as they assume. This is quite intriguing that even some of us while in junior positions address them differently only when we really want to offend them, so addressing them by names or titles tend to carry sarcastic undertones which they are quick to pick.
Despite harbouring this intense wish to change culture and mindsets, still when we come into driving seats even if partly , we find ourselves chained to traditions and dedicate our resources and energies in thawrtig every possible effort towards "change".
Look at our seniors now, most of them are foreign qualified and trained and don't tire praising " their" values but when it comes to instituting these very manners at their own work places , they just don't do it. Most of them love to play God with the future of new generation of doctors.
I agree that this culture need to change and training has to be structured and accounted for at every stage so that those who are blue eyed should not be the only ones who reap benefits and rest are just lost and wasted .
At the same time i'll also emphasize for a system in place where rights of seniors should be safeguarded too. I have also seen many juniors which just mock the discipline and insult too many seniors and go scot free since "somebody" amongst us is overprotecting them. Such juniors also need to be taken to task and Unless such ppl are mercilessly filtered, there is unlikely to be the "change" we are so badly craving for.........
[Edited by drfarhan on 19-09-2008 at 05:46 PM GMT]
[Edited by drfarhan on 19-09-2008 at 05:48 PM GMT]
Posted by: drfarhan Posts: 93 :: 19-09-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Working in a western country, I never address any of my senior colleagues by their first name.
This is part of my training in Pakistan. Similarly none of Pakistani students ever address me by first name and I felt much respected by them.
This really follows one's cultural upbrining however what I will emphasize, forget this debate about how to address your seniors. If you realy want to follow best practices from West try addressing your patients and their carers respectfully. I am very sure there will be no second opinion about this issue.Let's introduce a new culture.
Posted by: zarrins Posts: 3 :: 04-10-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
Very true Dr Zarrin... I agree
Posted by: drrathore Posts: 428 :: 07-10-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
yes i too agree but that does not solve issue or issues at hand. you can't be expected to deliver if you are battered at "home" with injured self respect and jeopardized goals at large with no where to appeal. No doubt ideologies need to be refurbished but how far could it be achieved can only be determined by your changing manners and attitudes which in turn are just outward reflection of something more sinister lurking underneath. To establish a system where budding doctors can be imparted effective and impressive training both ethically and professionally(somewhat intertwined concepts and taken together for granted but actually this is not so!) is crying need of time other wise we shall simply cease to exist in terms of institution in not too distant future.
[Edited by drfarhan on 07-10-2008 at 03:34 PM GMT]
[Edited by drfarhan on 08-10-2008 at 06:22 AM GMT]
Posted by: drfarhan Posts: 93 :: 07-10-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. UNLUCKILY WE DONOT HAVE "SYSTEM". WE HAVE PERSONALITIES THAT PROFESSOR........ IS EXCELLENT IN .....PROCEDURE. HE WILL DO IT EXCELLENTLY BUT WOULD NEVER TEACH OR TRAIN HIS JUNIORS. WHEN PROFESSOR ...... IS OUT OF SCENE, NO BODY IS ABLE TO PERFORM THAT PARTICULAR PROCEDURE OR TECHNIQUE. IT IS DILEMA OF OUR MEDICAL COMMUNITY. THE SYSTEM OF PROPER POSTGRADUATE TRAINING IS ALMOST NON-EXISTENT IN OUR COUNTRY EXCEPT FEW INSTITUTIONS LIKE AKU, SH. ZAYYED HOSPITAL LAHORE ETC.
Posted by: samreenqmc Posts: 140 :: 09-10-2008 :: | Reply to this Message
your are very true. respect is earned not asked for. but unfortunately our whole country is going in same track. i have seen MS surgery candidate driving the car of his supervisor daily like a driver. what should this candidate do. he can not refuse because the supervisor will not pass him in exam even though supervisor can affaord a driver.this is a simple example , we can see so many in our daily life like these.
[Edited by tariqwahab on 08-01-2009 at 02:50 PM GMT]
Posted by: tariqwahab Posts: 11 :: 08-01-2009 :: | Reply to this Message
you are absolutely right. even those professors who preach of professionalism have their trainees doing their house hold works like: "SABZI GHOSHT LANA"
Posted by: samreenqmc Posts: 140 :: 13-01-2009 :: | Reply to this Message
This chamcha culture is even present in most of the institutions and professors who come on TV and say that we are doing this and this....
Posted by: samreenqmc Posts: 140 :: 13-09-2009 :: | Reply to this Message
agreed
Posted by: BVHOSPITAL Posts: 131 :: 08-03-2010 :: | Reply to this Message