submission of articles to multiple journals

Before going into the details...let us have a look at the articles...


M Naeem Khan, Mansoor Nadeem, M Ayyub, M Farooq Khattak, M Anwar, Azmat Rashid, Karamat Ahmed Karamat.
Lupus anticoagulant: A cause for stroke in young adults
Pakistan J Pathol Jun 1999;10(1):4-6.
Military Hospital Rawalpindi and AFIP, CMH Rawalpindi

Mansoor Nadeem, M Ayub, M Naeem Khan, Farooq Khattak, Azmat Rashid, M Muzaffar, M Saleem.
Lupus Anticoagulant as a cause of Stroke in young Adults
J Rawal Med Coll Dec 1998;2(1-2):15-7.
Military Hospital, Rawalpindi


and also below....
Noor Muhammad, Mohammad Ayub Jan, Noor Rahman.
Treatment response of Hepatitis C patients to combination therapy of Interferon plus Ribavirin
J Postgrad Med Inst Dec 2004;18(4):563-8.
DHQ Hospital Daggar District Buner, NWFP

Noor Muhammad, Ayub Jan, Noor Rahman.
Outcome of combined Interferon-Ribavirin in the treatment of chronic Hepatitis C
J Coll Physicians Surg Pak Nov 2004;14(11):651-3.
Department of Medicine, DHQ Hospital Daggar, District Buner, NWFP


the abstracts can be seen on pakmedinet..
these are replication of same articles in different journals..
which journal will own the article...?
comments are required from readers.

Posted by: lachviPosts: 47 :: 20-02-2005 :: | Reply to this Message

Re: submission of articles to multiple journals

You have highlighted an important issue. I think we should report this to PMDC or concerned journals to take necessary action against the authors. What do you recommend to me, should i remove one of the article or do nothing?

It is highly unethical to submit articles to 2 journals.

[Edited by docosama on 02-20-2005 at 06:04 PM GMT]

Posted by: docosamaPosts: 333 :: 20-02-2005 :: | Reply to this Message

Re: submission of articles to multiple journals

Both the journals should be informed and the articles excluded from pub med and medline. If these are unrecognized journals atleast PMDC should be informed. I hope that duplication in different journals is a result of ignorance and not deceipt.

Posted by: NizamPosts: 82 :: 21-02-2005 :: | Reply to this Message

Re: submission of articles to multiple journals

Publishing one study in two journals is not only unethical but also unacceptable. Moreover, authors are guilty of the infringement on the copyrights of the journal which published the study first. Whenever a study is submitted to a second journal, authors should
1) obtain permission from the first journal,
2) mention it clearly to the second journal's editors and
3) second publication of the study should give reference to the original publication.
Only then a second publication of a study is considered acceptable.

Posted by: rqayyumPosts: 199 :: 26-02-2005 :: | Reply to this Message

Re: submission of articles to multiple journals

The matter is serious and needs to be discussed in PMDC meeting where all editors of Pakistani Journals meet after every 2-3 months. PAME(Paksitan association of medical editors)may also take necessary steps. i m writing the matter to CPSP as well. We as a policy of JPMI now require an undertaking from authors as below......
UNDER TAKING

I Dr.___________________________working in ______________ is hereby submitting my article________________________________
_________________________________ for publication in JPMI (Journal of Postgraduate Medical Institute). I am submitting this declaration that above mentioned article has not been published or is under consideration for publication in any other Journal and this article will be the sole property of JPMI (Journal of Postgraduate Medical Institute).
It is also certified that this study is my/our original work and all the authors have meaningfully contributed to this study.
Thanks
Authors...

I think this will help us in future to discourage the submission of articles to multiple journals...
akhtar Sherin
Executive Editor JPMI


[Edited by docosama on 03-01-2005 at 04:53 PM GMT]

Posted by: lachviPosts: 47 :: 01-03-2005 :: | Reply to this Message

Re: submission of articles to multiple journals

this is not a single person's problem , we are not taught enough principles and unfortunately we are non-believers in medical ethics so we all behave like that so authors of these article donot feel bad about such a thing there are a lot of equally dishonest ppl like u , u r not alone , donot loose heart.

ijaz

Posted by: ijazaliPosts: 151 :: 12-04-2005 :: | Reply to this Message

Re: Re: submission of articles to multiple journals

u can try quoting it to PMDC but are there angels sitting there. they are same bunch of incompetent ppl sitting there acknowledging safarish as any other place. but i would not discourage u to do that atleast u have done ur duty.

ijaz

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lachvi wrote:
The matter is serious and needs to be discussed in PMDC meeting where all editors of Pakistani Journals meet after every 2-3 months. PAME(Paksitan association of medical editors)may also take necessary steps. i m writing the matter to CPSP as well. We as a policy of JPMI now require an undertaking from authors as below......
UNDER TAKING

I Dr.___________________________working in ______________ is hereby submitting my article________________________________
_________________________________ for publication in JPMI (Journal of Postgraduate Medical Institute). I am submitting this declaration that above mentioned article has not been published or is under consideration for publication in any other Journal and this article will be the sole property of JPMI (Journal of Postgraduate Medical Institute).
It is also certified that this study is my/our original work and all the authors have meaningfully contributed to this study.
Thanks
Authors...

I think this will help us in future to discourage the submission of articles to multiple journals...
akhtar Sherin
Executive Editor JPMI


[Edited by docosama on 03-01-2005 at 04:53 PM GMT]

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Posted by: ijazaliPosts: 151 :: 12-04-2005 :: | Reply to this Message

Re: Re: Re: submission of articles to multiple journals

Recently i was looking up some code of conduct about article submission on WAME and surprisingly i noted that submission of same article to more than one journals is not an objectionable thing BUT AS LONG ALL PARTIES INVOLVED IN THE BUSINESS KNOW THAT. the reasons cited are that multiple journals have different types of following/readers/audiances and to address that aspect on a different forum you need to publish it various places but with permission. I think our authors here donot realise that they cab send a small letter to the editor of the first journal and request his permission and send a copy of that to the seond person . In this way it would be all legal and no fears.
But in our country the rigidity and undue strictness from both sides probably prevents us from doing that.

ijaz

Posted by: ijazaliPosts: 151 :: 12-09-2005 :: | Reply to this Message

Re: submission of articles to multiple journals

Yes Dr Ijaz Ali you are right. However, we should not forget another party, the most important one, The READER. Reader should also know that this article has been published before. Let me quote from my earlier post in this thread:
"Whenever a study is submitted to a second journal, authors should
1) obtain permission from the first journal,
2) mention it clearly to the second journal's editors and
3) second publication of the study should give reference to the original publication.
Only then a second publication of a study is considered acceptable."

Posted by: rqayyumPosts: 199 :: 12-09-2005 :: | Reply to this Message

Re: Re: submission of articles to multiple journals

I absolutely agree with you. Secondly I know that an indexed publication is better than many non-indexed ones so in that way if whoever wants his work to be submitted(in a legal and ethically OK way) also to an indexed journal is fully justified 'cos then it has a wider audiance.

The thing we have to learn as a nation is to be up front on things, be straight forward, and tell the truth on other person face. the oppressive nature of our Surroundings and culture probably is a big factor and secondly ppl on the other side should be considerate and accomodative enough to appreciate what is OK and what is not.

We should try get out of the Taboo culture of OOH How can you do this , Kind of thing? . we should leran to forgive and forget so that new people are not discouraged.

ijaz


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Posted by: ijazaliPosts: 151 :: 13-09-2005 :: | Reply to this Message

Re: Re: Re: submission of articles to multiple journals

I think, we can look at this from two perspectives; author's and editor's.
Of course, authors want their manuscript to be published as soon as possible. Their promotion may depend on publication, or the manuscript may get out-dated. If journals take six months just to get peer-review process completed, authors might feel pressure to send manuscript to another journal at the same time. This is a wrong approach, especially if authors have signed a disclosure that manuscript has not been submitted elsewhere. A better approach is not to submit manuscript to the journals that take long time to reach to a decision. However, if manuscript is not worth-sending to a good journal, then authors should "bite the bullet", and sit and wait. Taking a longer time to reach to a decision is not a sign of good journal, rather it is a sign of sloppy editorial personal.
From editor's perspective, this is wastage of time, money, and resources to give paper-space to an article that is not original. Actually, editors should come-up with some plan to ban such authors from getting their any future manuscript published anywhere in the world. WAME is working on it and may soon come-up with some procedure. There should be no forgiveness for intentional deception.
I don't think that second publications of the same research should give any more credit to authors than one publication. The only reason for a second publication of a research should be to reach to a population segment that might not read original article.

Posted by: rqayyumPosts: 199 :: 15-09-2005 :: | Reply to this Message

Submission of articles to multiple journals

Prevention of plagiarism and deterring of scholarly dishonesty and cheating ... A REAL PROBLEM THAT HAS DISFIGURED THE ACADEMIC HONESTY AMONG THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY OF PAKISTAN. PakMediNet is the right forum where we can at least highlight such burning issues to condemn plagiarism and academic dishonesty ... is just criticizing enough, like condemning it at this forum? Credibility and the competence of PMDC is quite questionable ... that is just a dead in regularizing the standards for biomedical excellence in Pakistan. HEC (Higher Education Commission) another academic white elephant with no powers but expending millions of rupees jut for "gup shup" ... some months ago I raised some issues to prevent plagiarism in Pakistani universities and biomedical institutes/organizations to a person who is responsible to regularize the academic excellence in Pakistani medical and other institutes, but they replied just in a bureaucratic manner just to ignore the issue. Can any person suggest a way to condemn and to prevent issue regarding PLAGIARISM? Let us continue to discuss this burning issue to find out some solution. THE HONESTY GROUP ..

Posted by: honesty2Posts: 2 :: 16-09-2005 :: | Reply to this Message

Re: Submission of articles to multiple journals

one thing that i want to make clear is that as a nation our battle is usually against a specific person(based on animosity) who we want to see humilated. its not on principles or on generalised things or problems. so thats why things never materialise. Very tunnelled vision of ours has lead us to newly found depths of humilation and illfame as a nation.

Secondly our attitudes are so rigid that we want to cut the hands of anybody who even does a little wrong only because we can do that but never able to challange the real menaces 'cos we cant touch them. We also have to increase our tolerance and be flexible in our attitudes. Every guy acts like a Genghis Khan here.

ijaz




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Posted by: ijazaliPosts: 151 :: 18-09-2005 :: | Reply to this Message